Meinl Byzance Cymbals

[froidy1981]

I know many of us here are electric kit users only but there are still a lot of acoustic users on here
I have been looking at getting all new cymbals as I am starting to gig regularly and need a more 'professional approach' and would like all my cymbals to match and blend better because at the moment I am using a Sabian ride, Kahzan crash & Zildjian explosion crash.
I have decided that Meinl is the brand for me! They look and sound unbelievable and are very well priced compared to equivalent sounding Paiste, Zildjians etc....
I am trying to decide what to go in my setup....
I'm thinking 13/14" Dark Byzance Hats, 18" Medium Traditional Crash, 20" Medium Traditional Crash & 22" Spectrum Dark Ride....I play punk and rock styles. Anyone have these cymbals and want to share their opinions/setups?
Here is a link to a couple of vids with drummers using Meinl Byzance cymbals
Byzance Dark Cymbals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XI_Eu10dzE
Byzance Traditional Cymbals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2dR...feature=relmfu
I think they sound amazing!

www.meinlcymbals.com

[hampis]

If you have decided Meinl are for you yes the Byzance line is a good choice .I would check the MB20 too, they might be better for punk and heavier rock.Byzance are a bit darker.However as for hats i would pick the Byzance sand 14' those Benny Greb uses.I tried them once and loved them

[froidy1981]

If you have decided Meinl are for you yes the Byzance line is a good choice .I would check the MB20 too, they might be better for punk and heavier rock.Byzance are a bit darker.However as for hats i would pick the Byzance sand 14' those Benny Greb uses.I tried them once and loved them

Yeah I was tossing up between Byzance and MB20....I think the MB20 will probably be a bit more 'cutting and in your face' which is kind of what I am trying to get away from......I am REALLY loving the sound of the 22" Dark Raw Bell Ride
Don't wanna know what all these will set me back! lol
I reckon I will be looking between 2-2.5K Australian prices
Thanks Hamp I will check out the samples on the sand hats

[hairmetal-81]

I really like the 22" China Ride in their Byzance Jazz series.
Not really suitable for a Rock or Punk context, obviously...

[froidy1981]

I really like the 22" China Ride in their Byzance Jazz series.
Not really suitable for a Rock or Punk context, obviously...

That's cool I still appreciate the responses and opinions on any of the Meinl cymbals, cheers


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[Ribot]

I bought the benny greb hi hat, after listening and comparing 10 hi hats, because they have a unusual timbre, and very midrangy, barky sound.....but they are not bright at all..........for punk? Another Meinl Byzance was cool, more sizzle...
The Benny Greb Ride 22 was quite thin (I doubt they would handle a punk drummer) but great sounding certainly better than all Zildjian in the shop (they do not offer Constantinople), I settled for an old Paiste Traditional 20 Ride I bought used from http://www.hazelshould.com/ (used, incredible complex but also not extremely loud), I also bought a rocked 50ties Slingerland 3ply, 5,5 snare there which has an incredible throaty old school sound.

Another Hi hat I really like is the one of the Legend Rock Pack, a Constantinople from Zildjian...............more sizzle.........

Besides a great Zildjian Dark 16 Crash my friend bought 2 years ago the Zildjian lacked everything, thin, not complex....imho not worth the money. At least my experience in Hanover, Germany.

Beside Paiste
Traditionals I would also try UFIP........can be very cool.....

Kai
For those interested
my exact quite dark, complex sounding paiste cymbal http://www.file-upload.net/download-..._12.2.zip.html

[froidy1981]

I bought the benny greb hi hat, after listening and comparing 10 hi hats, because they have a unusual timbre, and very midrangy, barky sound.....but they are not bright at all..........for punk? Another Meinl Byzance was cool, more sizzle...
The Benny Greb Ride 22 was quite thin (I doubt they would handle a punk drummer) but great sounding certainly better than all Zildjian in the shop (they do not offer Constantinople), I settled for an old Paiste Traditional 20 Ride I bought used from http://www.hazelshould.com/ (used, incredible complex but also not extremely loud), I also bought a rocked 50ties Slingerland 3ply, 5,5 snare there which has an incredible throaty old school sound.

Another Hi hat I really like is the one of the Legend Rock Pack, a Constantinople from Zildjian...............more sizzle.........

Besides a great Zildjian Dark 16 Crash my friend bought 2 years ago the Zildjian lacked everything, thin, not complex....imho not worth the money. At least my experience in Hanover, Germany.

Beside Paiste
Traditionals I would also try UFIP........can be very cool.....

Kai
For those interested
my exact quite dark, complex sounding paiste cymbal http://www.file-upload.net/download-..._12.2.zip.html

I still haven't made up my mind on the hats but I'm preferring the Byzance Brilliant range over the Traditional range now the MB20 range sounds good but I think it's a bit loud for what I want I am thinking of having something that sits in the mix a little better.
I reckon either a MB20 Medium Ride or the 21" Derek Roddy Serpent Ride will be better suited for punk....decisions decisions! At least I have a little while before I can afford these so I still have time up my sleeve I just found out my (relatively) local music store is stocking Meinl now so I'll be able to get a chance to try a few of them out in person


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[Ribot]

You have to try cymbals in context live with (different!) bands, let s.o. play your set......in Hanover you can borrow these a few days...

Be aware that cymbals differ a lot (even the same series) some a higher, some lower pitches some are brighter.....

I am extremely into vintage cymbals, I think something has been lost...........only recently some series try to get to that former level and complexity in sound.....Meinl Byzance, Paiste 602/traditional, Zildjian Constantinople (thin overhammerd!)

Some shop in the us (us usual they are smarter) record every cymbal they offer, that is an incredible cool service to choose a cymbal.....(but you have to know the series mentioned)

I choose my ride from a sound file (already liking!!! the traditional paiste series), it was recorded in context with 200 cymbals also from other manufactors....as long as they are recorded with a similar mic type (condenser) sensible!

Kai